Spirituality According to Oprah

Q: So you had a traditional Southern religious upbringing?

A: I grew up in the Baptist Church, and going to church with my father; I remember being 8 years old, trying to determine whether I was really ready to give up sin, and for days I agonized. But I was probably toward 81/2 when I actually joined the church and was baptized — and, my God, did I take it seriously! I was a zealot who irritated every one of my third-grade friends. They didn't beat me up, but I got labeled "the preacher girl."

Q: Which early experiences deepened your spirituality?

A: My first deepening of spirituality came when I was 6, when I was moved from my grandmother and sent to live with my mother — whom I really did not know — who had moved to Milwaukee. Something inside myself knew that I was never going to see my grandmother again — I would be wasting my time to live in that space of wanting that.

Q: When was your faith most tested?

A: I would say that during the time that I was 14 and pregnant — I didn't even know what pregnancy was when I got pregnant — I was trying to do everything I could to harm myself. I said to God, "God, if you want me to die, then you're going to have to kill me. You're just going to have to kill me. If you don't want me to die, then I'm going to live and get through it somehow, but if you want me to die because of the shame that I've brought on myself, then you're just going to have to kill me." If I live, that means that I'm going to go on to do something else. I don't know what that is. I would say my faith has become strengthened every time I have faced what I considered to be a trial, and there is no greater trial than being 14 and pregnant and not even knowing what it is.

Q: How did you find all the stories that appear in Belief ?

A: We literally cast them. We went out into the world looking for them. There were lots of little boys having their bar mitzvahs all over the world, and they sent me tapes of some of them that they interviewed, probably six or seven little boys, and there was something about Mendel. I just loved his little face. I loved the energy of Mendel.

Q: Speaking of energy, do you ever sleep?

A: Oh, I do. I'm not one of those people who is trying to act like I don't sleep. I used to be like, "Oh, I only need four hours." Now I need exactly 51/2 to 6 in order to feel like I've done well. When I was going through menopause, I didn't sleep. I didn't sleep for two years and ended up blowing out my thyroid, and I became nonfunctional. It's difficult to remain fully present if I'm not getting enough sleep, so I work at getting enough.

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Q: You mentioned that you pray every night. Do you consider yourself a traditionalist?

A: I'm definitely not a traditionalist, because a traditionalist would be going to church every Sunday. I still love church. My favorite church service is T.D. Jakes at the Potter's House. I don't think there is a better preacher in the country. His ability to interpret scripture is like no other. I also like some of Joel Osteen's work. I think he's now doing a book about one of my favorite sermons of his, "The Power of 'I Am.' " I just love that sermon.

Q: President Obama used grace as the theme of the eulogy he gave after the fatal shootings in Charleston, S.C., in June. What did you think?

A: I felt that it was deeply moving and profound, and of course everybody was like, "Oh, the president can sing!" Maybe a little off key! I actually think that the sermon reinforced the very nature of the grace that the victims' families had shown to the world. But what really moved me was those families and their ability to immediately move themselves into a state of grace by being able to forgive and not holding onto anger, because grace and anger do not match.

Q: Some people question whether you can be a Christian and also embrace so-called New Age philosophies. How do you respond to that?

A: My response is that I love the church. I love what the church offers to us as a culture — black people in particular. We would be nowhere without the black church. But for me to live in a world that is not inclusive of other people who are not Christian would be the opposite of Christianity. I can't define "God," so to be open to the mystical and mystery of God is a natural part of myself. So people criticize me for not being what they are, and I say, it's working for me and has worked for me and continues to work for me, in a way that fills me with a sense of peace and contentment about what God means to me.

Q: So what do you believe?

A: That's a great question. I believe I don't know what the future holds, but I know who holds the future. I know who and what holds the future. I trust that beyond this space and time, all is well, and all will be well.

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